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Used as an example of a messianic prophecy about Jesus that was publicly available before Jesus and therefore could be independently checked, unlike a self-revealed prophecy.

Central LDS text used in the discussion to argue Joseph Smith wrote himself into scripture by adding a prophecy about a future seer named Joseph, matching himself and his father.

Main Quran passage cited to show that Muhammad claimed Jesus foretold a later messenger named Ahmad/Muhammad, which the speakers argued cannot be verified from earlier sources.

Mentioned by a Mormon caller as another place where Joseph Smith's foretelling appears; used to show the same self-certifying pattern appears in LDS scripture, not just the JST.

Quoted directly during the debate as the hadith account of Muhammad's first revelation; used to argue his experience in the cave involved fear, physical oppression, and suicidal...

Cited by a Muslim guest as the place where Gabriel is identified, in order to answer the objection that the being in the cave did not identify itself during the first revelation...

Mentioned as an LDS proof text for continuing revelation or restoration; the Christian speaker said later LDS readers appeal to it, though he found that reading unconvincing.

Named as one of several Bible passages Muslims commonly appeal to when trying to find Muhammad in the Bible; the speaker dismissed that use as weak.

Mentioned alongside other passages as an example of a text Muslims try to use to locate Muhammad in prior scripture; cited dismissively.

Cited as a particularly implausible passage Muslims appeal to when trying to read Muhammad into the Bible.

Named as another passage Muslims use in arguments that Jesus predicted Muhammad; the speaker listed it as part of a set of unconvincing proof texts.

Used as an example of a preserved messianic text Christians can publicly point to when arguing that Jesus fulfilled prior prophecy, unlike self-revealed prophecies for Muhammad ...

Cited with other messianic passages as an externally checkable prophecy Christians can use for Jesus, in contrast to unverifiable restoration claims.

Raised by an LDS caller as a New Testament example of Jesus applying prophecy to himself; the Christian speaker answered that Jesus was citing a publicly available prophetic tex...

Identified as the source text behind Luke 4; used to contrast Jesus' use of a public prophecy with Joseph Smith's and Muhammad's self-certifying claims.

Brought up via superchat as a verse whose ESV/KJV reading and Joseph Smith's altered reading supposedly expose LDS prophecy claims; the hosts then checked the verse live.

Quoted in a superchat as a text that condemns later false gospels and deceptive angelic revelations; used to say both Islam and Mormonism are disqualified by Paul's warning.

Discussed as the altered LDS version of Luke 16:16 after a viewer cited it; used in a text-critical challenge about Joseph Smith's revisions to the New Testament.