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Halal, Haram, Worship, and Shirk

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Quran 9:31

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31 They have taken their rabbis and their monks as lords apart from God, and the Messiah, Mary's son -- and they were commanded to serve but One God; there is no god but He; glory be to Him, above that they associate --

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Muhammad’s prohibition of something Allah made lawful in Quran 66:1 is argued to place him under that same shirk criterion.

The Christian side applies the 9:31/Tirmidhi standard to Quran 66:1 and argues that Muhammad committed shirk by forbidding what Allah made lawful.

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Quran 9:31 and its hadith/commentary are used to define accepting human halal/haram rulings over Allah’s rulings as worship or shirk.

The debate repeatedly turns on whether changing Allah’s lawful and forbidden categories counts as taking someone as a lord besides Allah.

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A Muslim defense argues that Muhammad’s act was personal abstention or an oath, not legislation that constitutes shirk.

Muslim participants argue or explore whether Quran 66:1 is about a personal oath or abstention rather than changing Allah’s law for the community.

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Quran 66:1

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1 O Prophet, why forbiddest thou what God has made lawful to thee, seeking the good pleasure of thy wives? And God is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.

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Muhammad’s prohibition of something Allah made lawful in Quran 66:1 is argued to place him under that same shirk criterion.

The Christian side applies the 9:31/Tirmidhi standard to Quran 66:1 and argues that Muhammad committed shirk by forbidding what Allah made lawful.

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A Muslim defense argues that Muhammad’s act was personal abstention or an oath, not legislation that constitutes shirk.

Muslim participants argue or explore whether Quran 66:1 is about a personal oath or abstention rather than changing Allah’s law for the community.

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Jami at-Tirmidhi 3095

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Muhammad’s prohibition of something Allah made lawful in Quran 66:1 is argued to place him under that same shirk criterion.

The Christian side applies the 9:31/Tirmidhi standard to Quran 66:1 and argues that Muhammad committed shirk by forbidding what Allah made lawful.

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A Muslim defense argues that Muhammad’s act was personal abstention or an oath, not legislation that constitutes shirk.

Muslim participants argue or explore whether Quran 66:1 is about a personal oath or abstention rather than changing Allah’s law for the community.

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Quran 66:2

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2 God has ordained for you the absolution of your oaths. God is your Protector, and He is the All-knowing, the All-wise.

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Muhammad’s prohibition of something Allah made lawful in Quran 66:1 is argued to place him under that same shirk criterion.

The Christian side applies the 9:31/Tirmidhi standard to Quran 66:1 and argues that Muhammad committed shirk by forbidding what Allah made lawful.

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Quran 4:3

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3 If you fear that you will not act justly towards the orphans, marry such women as seem good to you, two, three, four; but if you fear you will not be equitable, then only one, or what your right hands own; so it is likelier you will not be partial.