Invoked to argue that Joseph Smith's Civil War prophecy overreached into a worldwide collapse that the critic says never occurred, and therefore should count against his prophet...
Quoted as an example of a failed revelation, with the speaker claiming Joseph Smith was promised hidden treasure in Salem that never materialized.
Used to argue that Joseph Smith gave a failed prophecy about David W. Patten's future mission, since the debate opponent notes Patten died before the prediction could be fulfilled.
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