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LIVE DEBATES: The Early Christians Were Trinitarians! @shamounian

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Quran 4:34 - 00:14:05

Gender Roles and Violence in Islamic Law
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Acts 11:26-30 - 00:15:10

Church endurance
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    Church endurance

    Used to place Ignatius in apostolic Antioch, where believers were first called Christians and where Agabus prophesied, to argue Ignatius stood very close to earliest Christian t...

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Revelation 2:8-11 - 00:24:08

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    Church endurance

    Used to connect Polycarp's church at Smyrna with a congregation Christ praised and warned about suffering, supporting the link between the biblical church and later martyr Polyc...

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Revelation 3:7 - 00:25:20

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    Church endurance

    Cited as the other faithful church in Revelation alongside Smyrna, reinforcing the discussion of early church endurance under persecution.

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Matthew 4:10 - 00:28:19

Monotheism and worship
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Luke 4:8 - 00:28:19

Monotheism and worship
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Matthew 28:19 - 00:35:11

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John 8:39-41 - 00:44:49

Jesus' Divinity and Sonship
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Psalm 102:25-27 - 00:57:34

Jesus' Divinity and Sonship
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John 1:3 - 00:58:03

Jesus' Divinity and Sonship
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Nehemiah 9:6 - 01:00:24

Monotheism and worship
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    Monotheism and worship

    Quoted to say 'you alone are Yahweh' and creator of all, then used to argue that if both Father and Son are identified with Yahweh, trinitarian monotheism follows.

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Jeremiah 10:10-11 - 01:01:02

Monotheism and worship
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Psalm 110:1 - 01:05:12

Jesus' Divinity and Sonship
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Mark 12:35-37 - 01:05:27

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Genesis 2:24 - 01:08:04

Monotheism and worship
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John 17:11 - 01:09:54

Monotheism and worship
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    Monotheism and worship

    Used to show that the oneness of Father and Son does not imply they are the same person, just as believers can be one without personal identity.

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John 17:20-22 - 01:09:54

Monotheism and worship
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John 16:12-13 - 01:12:58

Holy Spirit personhood
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Jeremiah 31:33-34 - 01:25:42

Holy Spirit personhood
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Hebrews 10:15-17 - 01:26:27

Holy Spirit personhood
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1 Corinthians 8:6 - 01:46:53

Monotheism and worship
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Isaiah 9:6 - 01:53:41

Jesus' Divinity and Sonship
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    Jesus' Divinity and Sonship

    Used by a questioner to argue Christ is literally the Father; the response was that the title refers to Jesus as source/giver of eternal life, not identity with the person of th...

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John 10:27-33 - 02:02:47

Jesus' Divinity and Sonship
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Deuteronomy 32:39 - 02:04:31

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Isaiah 43:13 - 02:04:52

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Psalm 95:6-7 - 02:05:15

Jesus' Divinity and Sonship
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John 17:3 - 02:13:28

Jesus' Divinity and Sonship
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    Jesus' Divinity and Sonship

    Brought up in discussion of Irenaeus and anti-trinitarian readings as the text where Jesus calls the Father 'the only true God'; the speakers argued this does not exclude the So...

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Genesis 19:24 - 02:24:05

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