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Divine names / fatherhood

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Quran 6:101

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101 The Creator of the heavens and the earth -- how should He have a son, seeing that He has no consort, and He created all things, and He has knowledge of everything?

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Quran 6:101 implies Allah would need a mate to have a son, creating a problem for divine self-sufficiency.

Christian-side objection that the Quranic mate argument implies limitation or dependence.

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John 10:36

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36 Do you say of him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You blaspheme,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God?'

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Biblical Father/Son language for Jesus conflicts with Quranic language that creatures come to Allah only as slaves.

Contrasts Jesus' Father/Son language with Quran 19:93's slave language.

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Luke 23:34

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34 Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they don't know what they are doing." Dividing his garments among them, they cast lots.

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Biblical Father/Son language for Jesus conflicts with Quranic language that creatures come to Allah only as slaves.

Contrasts Jesus' Father/Son language with Quran 19:93's slave language.

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Luke 3:38

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38 the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

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Biblical language can call Adam a son of God in a non-biological sense, which is relevant to discussion of father and son language for God.

Luke’s genealogy is cited during discussion of whether divine fatherhood language is permissible or meaningful.

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Quran 19:88-91

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88 And they say, 'The All-merciful has taken unto Himself a son. 89 You have indeed advanced something hideous! 90 The heavens are wellnigh rent of it and the earth split asunder, and the mountains wellnigh fall down crashing for 91 that they have attributed to the All-merciful a son;