ChristianQuranObjectionPrimary Evidence
Cited by the Christian side to argue that denying Allah could have a son because he has no mate implies dependence on a mate, which would challenge Allah’s all-powerfulness.
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Divine names / fatherhood
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Claim
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Quran 6:101 implies Allah would need a mate to have a son, creating a problem for divine self-sufficiency.
Christian-side objection that the Quranic mate argument implies limitation or dependence.
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Christian side argues that Quran 6:101 makes Allah’s having a son depend on a mate.
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- 2ChristianQuranObjectionPrimary Evidence
Cited by the Christian side to argue that the Quran portrays Allah as needing a mate to have a son, making him dependent and in tension with divine self-sufficiency.
- 3ChristianQuranObjectionPrimary Evidence
Cited by the Christian side to argue that the Quran portrays Allah as needing a mate to have a son, making him dependent and therefore not God.
- 4ChristianQuranObjectionContext
Used to provide context that people were associating jinn with Allah and attributing children to him, framing the following verse as a rebuttal to those claims.
- 5ChristianQuranObjectionSupporting Evidence
Cited by the Christian side to argue that saying Allah cannot have children without a mate implies dependence and challenges claims of divine omnipotence.
- 6ChristianQuranObjectionSupporting Evidence
Used in a Christian critique to argue that Allah would be dependent on a mate to have a son, with the opposing response framing it as a human-perspective refutation of claims th...
Christian side returns to the mate argument and adds Quran 39:4 while discussing divine power and limitation.
- 7ChristianQuranObjectionPrimary Evidence
Cited by the Christian side to argue that Islam limits Allah’s power by implying he could not have a son without a mate.
- 8ChristianQuranObjectionSupporting Evidence
Cited from a Christian perspective to argue that the Quran portrays Allah as able to choose a son if he wanted, while still implying dependence on a mate and thus limitation.
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Biblical Father/Son language for Jesus conflicts with Quranic language that creatures come to Allah only as slaves.
Contrasts Jesus' Father/Son language with Quran 19:93's slave language.
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Biblical language can call Adam a son of God in a non-biological sense, which is relevant to discussion of father and son language for God.
Luke’s genealogy is cited during discussion of whether divine fatherhood language is permissible or meaningful.
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The Islamic conception of Allah, which rejects fatherhood and sonship, is not equivalent to the Christian God addressed as Father.
Distinguishes the Islamic and Christian referents of God by the issue of fatherhood.
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