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1Pauline Reliability2 moves 2Quran preservation3 moves 3Continuity of Revelation and Law4 moves 4Divine names / fatherhood1 move 5Prophets and language of revelation1 move 6Muhammad's Prophethood1 move 7Jesus' Mission and Atonement1 move 8Jesus' Divinity and Sonship1 move

Pauline Reliability2 moves Quran preservation3 moves Continuity of Revelation and Law4 moves Divine names / fatherhood1 move Prophets and language of revelation1 move Muhammad's Prophethood1 move Jesus' Mission and Atonement1 move Jesus' Divinity and Sonship1 move

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Paul should not be dismissed as unreliable for lacking contact with Jesus, because Acts presents Paul as encountering Jesus on the road to Damascus.1 moveChristian7:04 Paul’s statement about becoming all things to all people is presented as contextualizing the gospel as a servant, not deceitfully changing his beliefs.1 moveChristian18:43 Hadith reports and variant recitations challenge the claim that the Qur’an has been perfectly preserved word-for-word.1 moveChristian30:13 The Quran is argued to be preserved while hadith must be filtered by the Quran.1 moveMuslim1:41:34 Hadith reports and variant recitations challenge the claim that the Qur’an has been perfectly preserved word-for-word.1 moveChristian1:43:31 If Paul taught that Mosaic laws were no longer required, then he went against Jesus’ teaching that the law would not be abolished.1 moveMuslim52:54 The criticism that Paul is unreliable for teaching changes to Mosaic law backfires if the Qur’an depicts Jesus as making some forbidden things lawful.1 moveChristian53:50 The other apostles confirmed Paul’s position concerning Gentiles and the Mosaic law.1 moveChristian59:49 The criticism that Paul is unreliable for teaching changes to Mosaic law backfires if the Qur’an depicts Jesus as making some forbidden things lawful.1 moveChristian1:10:42 Biblical language can call Adam a son of God in a non-biological sense, which is relevant to discussion of father and son language for God.1 moveChristian1:07:03 Muhammad has authority to teach because he speaks from revelation rather than personal opinion.1 moveMuslim1:10:10 Muhammad is false by Christian standards because he preached a different gospel and denied central claims about Jesus.1 moveChristian1:18:01 Because the wage of sin is death, God’s justice requires sin to be punished rather than simply ignored.1 moveChristian1:56:45 Jesus requires decisive allegiance, so rejecting him as Son of God is not a compatible shared path.1 moveChristian2:04:33-2:06:32

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Topic

Responses 1-27:04-18:432 references

Pauline Reliability

Argument claim

1 move1 reference7:04

Paul should not be dismissed as unreliable for lacking contact with Jesus, because Acts presents Paul as encountering Jesus on the road to Damascus.

The Christian side replies that Paul did meet Jesus in the Damascus road encounter.
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ChristianBibleReplyPrimary Evidence
Acts 9:1-9 · 00:07:04

Argument claim

1 move1 reference18:43

Paul’s statement about becoming all things to all people is presented as contextualizing the gospel as a servant, not deceitfully changing his beliefs.

The Christian side argues that Paul adapted presentation as a servant, not as a deceiver.
1
ChristianBibleReplyPrimary Evidence
1 Corinthians 9:18-23 · 00:18:43

Topic

Response 330:13 onward1 reference

Quran preservation

Argument claim

1 move1 reference30:13

Hadith reports and variant recitations challenge the claim that the Qur’an has been perfectly preserved word-for-word.

The Christian side challenges Muhammad’s Qur’an memorization by citing a hadith about forgotten verses.
1
ChristianHadithReplyPrimary Evidence
Sahih al-Bukhari 5038 · 00:30:13

Topic

Responses 4-652:54-59:494 references

Continuity of Revelation and Law

Argument claim

1 move1 reference52:54

If Paul taught that Mosaic laws were no longer required, then he went against Jesus’ teaching that the law would not be abolished.

The Muslim side objects that Paul is unreliable if he taught changes contrary to Jesus’ words about the law.
1
MuslimBibleObjectionPrimary Evidence
Matthew 5:17-18 · 00:52:54

Argument claim

1 move1 reference53:50

The criticism that Paul is unreliable for teaching changes to Mosaic law backfires if the Qur’an depicts Jesus as making some forbidden things lawful.

The Christian side replies that Qur’an 3:50 appears to make the same law-change criticism apply to Muhammad.
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ChristianQuranReplyPrimary Evidence
Quran 3:50 · 00:53:50

Argument claim

1 move2 references59:49

The other apostles confirmed Paul’s position concerning Gentiles and the Mosaic law.

The Christian side argues that Acts and Galatians show apostolic confirmation of Paul’s Gentile teaching.
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ChristianBibleReplyPrimary Evidence
Acts 15 · 00:59:49
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ChristianBibleReplySupporting Evidence
Galatians 2 · 00:59:49

Topic

Response 71:07:03 onward1 reference

Divine names / fatherhood

Argument claim

1 move1 reference1:07:03

Biblical language can call Adam a son of God in a non-biological sense, which is relevant to discussion of father and son language for God.

The Christian side cites Adam being called son of God during discussion of father and son language.
1
ChristianBibleReplyPrimary Evidence
Luke 3:38 · 01:07:03

Topic

Response 81:10:10 onward1 reference

Prophets and language of revelation

Argument claim

1 move1 reference1:10:10

Muhammad has authority to teach because he speaks from revelation rather than personal opinion.

The Muslim side answers that Muhammad’s authority rests on revelation, not personal opinion.
1
MuslimQuranObjectionPrimary Evidence
Quran 53:3-4 · 01:10:10

Topic

Response 91:10:42 onward1 reference

Continuity of Revelation and Law

Argument claim

1 move1 reference1:10:42

The criticism that Paul is unreliable for teaching changes to Mosaic law backfires if the Qur’an depicts Jesus as making some forbidden things lawful.

The Christian side argues that Jesus’ teaching about the law creates a contradiction if Muhammad says Jesus removed some law.
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ChristianBibleReplySupporting Evidence
Matthew 5:18 · 01:10:42

Topic

Response 101:18:01 onward1 reference

Muhammad's Prophethood

Argument claim

1 move1 reference1:18:01

Muhammad is false by Christian standards because he preached a different gospel and denied central claims about Jesus.

The Christian side uses John 6 to ask whether Muhammad aligns with Jesus’ claims about himself.
1
ChristianBibleReplyPrimary Evidence
John 6:38-40 · 01:18:01

Topic

Responses 11-121:41:34-1:43:312 references

Quran preservation

Argument claim

1 move1 reference1:41:34

The Quran is argued to be preserved while hadith must be filtered by the Quran.

The Muslim side objects that the completed Qur’an should take priority over disputed hadith claims.
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MuslimQuranObjectionPrimary Evidence
Quran 5:3 · 01:41:34

Argument claim

1 move1 reference1:43:31

Hadith reports and variant recitations challenge the claim that the Qur’an has been perfectly preserved word-for-word.

The Christian side cites Sahih Muslim 1452 to argue that a recited ruling is missing from the Qur’an today.
1
ChristianHadithReplyPrimary Evidence
Sahih Muslim 1452 · 01:43:31

Topic

Response 131:56:45 onward1 reference

Jesus' Mission and Atonement

Argument claim

1 move1 reference1:56:45

Because the wage of sin is death, God’s justice requires sin to be punished rather than simply ignored.

The Christian side explains atonement by arguing that sin’s penalty is death and justice requires punishment.
1
ChristianBibleReplyPrimary Evidence
Romans 6:23 · 01:56:45

Topic

Response 142:04:33-2:06:322 references

Jesus' Divinity and Sonship

Argument claim

1 move2 references2:04:33-2:06:32

Jesus requires decisive allegiance, so rejecting him as Son of God is not a compatible shared path.

The Christian side answers that rejecting Jesus leaves a person condemned and that salvation is only through him.
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ChristianBibleReplyPrimary Evidence
John 3:16-18 · 02:04:33
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ChristianBibleReplySupporting Evidence
John 14:6 · 02:06:32

Most cited passages

1 Corinthians 9:18-231 citation
Acts 151 citation
Acts 9:1-91 citation
Galatians 21 citation
John 14:61 citation

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Hadith reports and variant recitations challenge the claim that the Qur’an has been perfectly preserved word-for-word.2 moves
The criticism that Paul is unreliable for teaching changes to Mosaic law backfires if the Qur’an depicts Jesus as making some forbidden things lawful.2 moves
Because the wage of sin is death, God’s justice requires sin to be punished rather than simply ignored.1 move
Biblical language can call Adam a son of God in a non-biological sense, which is relevant to discussion of father and son language for God.1 move
If Paul taught that Mosaic laws were no longer required, then he went against Jesus’ teaching that the law would not be abolished.1 move

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